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Journal Entry: Fri May 31, 2013, 4:37 AM
Keep in mind this:

800 points = around $10.

400 points = around $5

40 points = ¢50

Do you really want to spend a long amount of time on a drawing only to receive the equivalent of half a dollar?

If you want to share things for cheap or free because you enjoy doing it than by all means do so, but what I'm saying is, don't under value yourself, and for the love of god don't do commissions for 5 or 10 points. You're working for next to nothing if you do that.

What you need to do is find a good place to sell your art so you can sell it at a reasonable fair price that's fair to both you and the buyer. There are places around on dA for this.

Commissions-R-Us say that "A group dedicated to helping people in the search of commissions to be made, allowing them to find somebody to request a commission from deviants at different ways to pay, such as using the Deviantart Points, paypal, etc.

We also have a Priority Commission List for those who are in need of money! Please check them out! "

Maybe could try checking them and others out.

Seems ridiculous that people are doing such hard work for only a few cents change like a child from years gone by doing chores for pocket money.

Article by NicolasSarkozy.

DeviantArt Point Calculator by charfade

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:iconlilbuc90:
lilbuc90 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013
yea I agree with this
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Saiyakupo Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013
People that refuse to pay money for art because 'they work their butt off for their money' don't understand that it also takes work do to art, and no not 'just anyone' can do it. It takes years of work to learn it and hours of work to do it if you know how. And yes, if it's something that someone else tells you to draw, then it CAN BECOME WORK and therefore not fun. Work is work. You get payed to work, you pay someone to work. All is fair. Don't pay someone with poop just because you don't take the energy to think about the fact that they actually work. If you don't want to pay someone to work, then don't ask them to do do it in the first place. Please and thx. The end. |D
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MillenniumFalsehood Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2013
THIS!!
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:iconsaiyakupo:
Saiyakupo Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2013
Thank youuuuu~ XD
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:iconmillenniumfalsehood:
MillenniumFalsehood Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013
This is the whole reason I charge money for my art rather than points. I had no idea what points were worth at all, and this shows just how much I overestimated their value.
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:iconluvja:
LuVjA Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013
This is really helpful. If I'll ever decide to do commissions, I'll keep this in mind, hehe. ^^
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:iconvioletlinked:
VioletLinked Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I draw colored lines for 5 points a piece.
I know, I know, It's a pretty steep offer.
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:iconlorddunjie:
LordDunjie Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
This being said, feel free to check out my page! I will gladly do commissions!
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:iconaikodea:
Aikodea Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for putting this up, it really needed to be said.

I think pricing is really difficult. I'm well aware of what points equal, and try to price accordingly, but it seems like nobody wants to buy. It makes me worry that my prices are too high. I'm not sure what my work is worth though, and it is probably brought down in value by the fact that its traditional and not digital. So pricing is really difficult for me.

I'm glad you mentioned that group though, I think I will go check them out. Perhaps I just don't have enough exposure? That and my info is in a journal since I haven't had time to make a chart...maybe I should do that.

Anywho thank you for doing this. While I do not know what to price my art as, I do know many people underprice, and I hope this helps some people. ^^
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ShilaDaLioness Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Your art is amazing! You could easily sell those chibis for at least $10 a piece ^^ And even more for your more detailed work :)
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Aikodea Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha, thank you! That's very kind. ;w; Right now I have them at $5, I don't think anyone would buy if I put them up to $10. ^^; I rarely get commissions as it is. And I don't think they're worth quite that much!
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ThatDerpyPony Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student Digital Artist
thank you this helps a lot but I have anther question is it ok so spell mlp art will u get sued for something?
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SerenDipityDixie Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
ohh might wanna add this to the post! [link]
people are pretty misinformed about the value of points, even though personally i really dont like the system, it makes me sad to see people taking the equivalent of a few pennies for their art :o
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AJPart Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
The whole points system is ridiculous. What can you get with it? Subscription bonuses, and tote bags.

That don't pay MY rent.
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:iconshinopa:
Shinopa Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I do think it's kind of crazy to ask for hundreds of dollars for a piece of digital work, and people are less likely to bother. Could just be me, but I think some commissions are just a waist. I don't think people should sell their work on dA as an actual job, because it's not always reliable.
My artwork sucks, as an example, so I do requests and commissions or basically nothing. I myself wouldn't go spending hundreds of dollars when I could go to an actual art convention and find something better and cheaper.
And there is always that excuse, 'Well, I have to eat' or whatever. There are outside jobs for a reason. Yes, your art may be awesome, but would I spend hundreds of my hard earned money on it? No. Some people might because they are rich, but I'm just being realistic. With enough practice and in time, along with the programs, anyone could be an expert artist. And that will last longer than any picture or whatever someone commissions or buys. Plus you'll get bragging rights. Just my opinion.
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Shinopa Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
haha Waste, not waist.
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Keythedrawist Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student General Artist
Thank you for this journal. This will come in handy later :3
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anttosik Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I belive that point commissions are almost the same as request. At least low ones. Seriously, what can you get for points? Some fellows in 'murica can get stuff, right, but we, others have them only for fun and commissioning others.

Thats why I think that even those low points commisses have some value - it's not the value of money, but the fact, that you can for the same amount commish someone else with same standarts.
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:iconangelofshadowchaos:
AngelofShadowChaos Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student Artist
Woah, the point system for dA is exactly the same as the MP system on Xbox LIVE.
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:iconinvaderkwin:
InvaderKwin Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I still do requests, which are free, but when I think about moving on to point commissions I only consider my work to be worth within the 5-30 pt range, depending on what type of drawing it is. I just feel like it should be easy to do what I do and that people will realize that and think that I’m charging too much.
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TheFallenAngelBeats Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
This is rather helpful. Thank you so much
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Shrineheart Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS. So many people are selling their work for cents on this site and it all has to do with a false sense of value and cost. Most users see 30 points and completely forget that's basically the same as someone throwing pennies at you. Your work, your time, and your effort are worth SO MUCH MORE.
THERE IS ALSO A REALLY BAD CASE OF UNDERVALUING. I've see people sell their work for a LOT LESS than they should. Hell, I was when I started out. And while my current set up is "Pick Your Price" I do get paid well because most commissioners pay me what they feel that piece of art is worth. I get an idea of what people will pay me for my work and they get good art in return. And honestly? Because we, as artists, undervalue our time and effort it's often a huge surprise when someone pays you THREE TIMES the original selling price you had for a piece. Good customers want your art and are willing to pay. Shitty customers want your art for free or for pennies. If someone whines that 25 points is too much for them? Tell them no. It's a quarter. And go back to drawing. They're not worth your time.
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Ruby-Orca-616 Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd make my commissions worth MUCH more than what they are if I could, but the sad thing is that a lot if people just don't have that many points and they don't want to give real money. :I
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Shrineheart Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Don't market yourself to people that pay points. There's plenty of folks that can, will, and do pay real cash. And oh man your art is worth it (I just took a peek at your gallery)! You just got to market yourself to the right people in the right places! Go to the right hand side of this commissions sheet of mine: [link] and take a look into the groups it's listed in. When I started putting my sheet in groups like this I started getting more commissions.
Someone offers points? Turn them down. Tell them cash only.
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Ruby-Orca-616 Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow, thanks for thinking that about my art, that means a lot. :) and so is yours. And it's not necessarily that I HATE points, I just wish I could price them more but when I tried doing that some of my watchers were complaining that I was charging too much. But I'd REALLY love to make actual money much more than points. And I'll definitely take a look at some of the groups there, just not now since I'm on an iPhone. Thanks again. :3
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:iconshrineheart:
Shrineheart Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No problem man! And as far as watchers complaining it depends on the pricing. If you like I can give you some pricing pointers and stuff! Send me a note if you're interested and we'll chat more!
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Ruby-Orca-616 Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd love that! Ok, thanks. :)
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x-Angel0 Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
Some people just say "OMG so pricey" and don't buy anything, so some users tend to lower the price. But some artists live only of their art, if they are pricey is because they do an amazing job, and the art is worth it, support them by paying what the art is worth instead of saying to lower them prices.
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maax300 Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I suggest 11 dollars for those photoshop cartoon artwork

around 30$ for going all out

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XNedra22 Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually it's higher than that if you convert the points to money. DA charges 20%, so in order to make a whole dollar, you'd need to charge 100 points. And when you need to actually convert the money to your paypal, it takes two weeks.
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:iconmegalopolus:
Megalopolus Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student General Artist
I personally sell mine to the equivalent of a quarter or less. Guess that's why I had a lot of commissioners.
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:iconcalicochris:
CalicoChris Featured By Owner May 31, 2013   Digital Artist
Seems like good advice, though maybe you should have had it like

$10 = 100 Points

and the like, because while you can turn cash into points there is no way to turn points into cash. I wish there was, but as far as i am aware there is not.
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:icongamibrii:
Gamibrii Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
20% is like a lot,I always put 1$ = 100 :points: x_x'
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McGack Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
you also need a properly activated paypal otherwise paypal will be a jerk about it too
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:iconpaintedcricket:
PaintedCricket Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
$1 = 100:points:, no matter how people want to imagine it =/

You can also withdraw via check, not just Paypal.
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:iconcalicochris:
CalicoChris Featured By Owner May 31, 2013   Digital Artist
OH, that answers my other question i just asked :D
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:iconmcgack:
McGack Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
there is, using the commissions widget, but unfortunately dA takes 20% of that
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:iconcalicochris:
CalicoChris Featured By Owner May 31, 2013   Digital Artist
Really, awesome :D

So does DA send the cash to you'r DA account or do you need a Paypal to cash it?
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:iconentou:
Entou Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This really helps. I had no idea the number of points equivalent to 5 and 10 dollars. I had been doing commissions for a stupidly tiny amount.
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puffinface Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for this! I'm thinking of starting commissions and didn't know what price they should be.
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Zangekyo-Rebirth Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Sounds about right. Still don't use points or anything, i'm trying to profit with awesome shoes and word of mouth! I've made 6 commissions since I started, none from dA though..
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:iconlordzid:
lordzid Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Normally I do requests but I was thinking about selling them so thanks for the Pricing :D
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Silnev Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
I just do stuff for free cause I'm nice and don't rely on DA for an income.
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CalebP1716 Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
For some reason I've never felt right about charging for commissions when I love what I do so much. Idk, I guess I might do something like that in the future when I have gotten better and I am more confident in my skill as an artist. Thanks for the chart btw, it really helps in knowing what prices would be reasonable to charge.
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Konveekou Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student General Artist
80:points: = 1$ but dA keeps 20%, so 100:points: for 1$
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Austiniousi Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Only if using the widget
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:iconkonveekou:
Konveekou Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student General Artist
I am not sure about it.
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:iconromaji:
Romaji Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
But if you don't use the widget, you can't get real cash in a trade out.
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Austiniousi Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True
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Tmcnicol Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I would never take money for my art (because it isn't good enough(at the moment!)) but if I did this would really help!
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