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Regarding "Fighting is Magic"

Journal Entry: Fri Feb 8, 2013, 8:56 PM
"Don't panic" - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams

A lot of you may have heard the recent news about the fan game, "Fighting is Magic", If not, here's pretty much all you need to know to be caught up on what's going on with that game.

Many people have become upset within the short amount of time since the release of this statement, and with good reason too. I'm not going to get into a discussion of who's right and who's wrong, or what the law says, or how copyright works or any of that. All I want to do is point out that according to the announcement, it seems as if the development team behind Fighting is Magic, Mane6, is attempting to hold discussions with Hasbro about continuing development.

With that in mind, now is not the time for negativity and hatred towards Hasbro for their actions. Instead, now's the time to offer our support and encouragement to Mane6. They could easily say "so much for that, time to move on with our lives", but instead they're choosing to try to work with Hasbro to find an agreement.

The game is not dead until Mane6 says it is, and right this second, their announcement seems to indicate that they're not quite ready to call time of death just yet. However, if we as a fandom offer nothing but anger and negativity, I cannot see that as being encouraging at all towards Mane6's goals. Instead, if we offer our support, our encouragement, and our hope, and show that we as a fandom want this to happen, than maybe, just maybe, they may not end up up having to call it quits.

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:iconavihooves:
AviHooves Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
When there's something you want, fight for it. Don't give up - no matter how hopeless it seems, even when you've lost hope, cause years from now you're gonna look back and wish you gave it it one more shot, cause the best things in life don't come easy.
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Vunlinur Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Taken matter in own hooves in some part, gathering people to fight for ib back wherever i can.
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Grotimnos16 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2013
Well said I plan to do just that
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AviHooves Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
"However, if we as a fandom offer nothing but anger and negativity, I cannot see that as being encouraging at all towards Mane6's goals. Instead, if we offer our support, our encouragement, and our hope, and show that we as a fandom want this to happen, than maybe, just maybe, they may not end up up having to call it quits."

Damn right you are.

People need to start looking at what CAN be done to save what we can save, instead of doing nothing and just posting angry comments.

We're all a little pissed off about Hasbro's decisions, but if we don't take any action, things will get worse.
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ShadowDash0 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Student General Artist
A very calm, intelligent response. That seems to be a first. Most everything I've seen includes "If we sign the petition they HAVE to let them make the game" and "I utterly and completely hate Hasbro right now." From what I've seen, the folks at Hasbro are somewhat intelligent, even if they've gone around copyright flagging almost every pony-related video on YouTube, so a calm level-headed discussion between Mane6 and Hasbro is just what we need, provided that Hasbro is willing to listen
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BritishDerpy Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
this is a very straightforward level headed response and to that good sir you get a brohoof

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Midnightshewolf Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I hope they let the game through!
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MajorasWaker Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
Actually, I see a new change in this!
When Nintendo released Hyrule Historia, a Japanese book about the history of Zelda, a translator know as Glitterberry started translating pages for the English audience.
After a few month however, Nintendo forbid her to translate any further. But instead of just killing a translation, they were working on their own official English edition, in which Glitterberry even helped!

Now, Hasbro isn't the same company as Nintendo, but if they are smart, and want to earn money, they hire the mane6 team to further develop the game under their supervision.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Umm, the game is dead. Hasbro will never let it go forward. A cease and "you'll fucking go to jail forevar if you don't" letter is the corp pushing the [NO] button. Now, they may steal the idea and their work and force them to turn over all the assets and essentially steal from them and then release it on their own terms, but letting the team finish their work.....HA!

I stopped watching MLP at the end of S2 and I could barely tolerate half the S2 episodes. Hasbro has deviated so far from Faust's ideas that its not the same show anymore. Just like S2 Transformers Prime was Meh, and S3 is jumping the shark time. Its time to call an end to the large sized fandom, because it was fun while it lasted, but its done now, and its time to see what Ms Faust does next. You can still like MLP and the voice actors and the show in general, but its time for the casual people to faff off somewhere else and ruin some other fandom/series.
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Coltboy Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist
Wise words, my friend. Wise words.
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mom1995577 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013   Artist
okay never mind my comment earlier, i found a petion [link]
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mom1995577 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013   Artist
my sister knows how to start petitions...
maybe we can help mane6 with one!
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:iconhandsomematsumoto:
HandsomeMatsumoto Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Maybe this will turn out to be a good thing if hasbro steps in. Think about it. They aren't going to be able to charge money for a game that's cheaply made or Free. So maybe they might improve the game engine, and online play might be ten times as better, because they are charging money for it. I might be stretching this a bit, but maybe you might see this game on Xbox Live Arcade, PSnetwork, itunes, or on Steam. This might turn out to be a good thing. Idk, what do you all think.
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ChibiDashie Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
This was one of the most unfair things I heard this new year. So I found this. We shall spreads it around! [link]
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:iconpibeman17:
pibeman17 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Emby-Spark Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
[link] Sign this and maybe it will work out!
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FeralHamster Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
Before swearing vendetta on Hasbro, people should remember that most of these copyright and law thing decisions are made between stock holders and few leaders of the company. I believe that the actual animators and work force behind the series would love to support fandom but they dont have much to say in these matters.
Such a shame that its money that talks these days D:
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DeltaSquadProduction Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
*shakes head sadly* Ah, this again... To tell the truth, Hasbro really only has a right to do that if they are making money off of it.
The whole thing is inadvisable on Hasbro's part. Why? Well, let's look at other well known, non-profit fan projects: A Clone Apart, a Star Wars web show, or Enterprising Engines, a Thomas the Tank Engine web show. For one thing, they advertise what ever they are based off of, and in that way draw in fans. When my little brother watches Enterprising Engines, he goes, "Hey, I want to do that too!" and subsequently buys a whole lot of Thomas trains and track. When I found A Clone Apart, I was much in the same state of mind, buying both Battlefront and Battlefront 2 to see if I could emulate the web show. So, really, them making this free game would only make more money for Hasbro.

:stormtrooper:

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TheMim Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hasbro has the right even if they are not making money.
In fact, any company can stop fanart of any kind if they want to, they just choose not to.
Just saying.
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Superstrider Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
Just signed the petition. Hopefully we can get enough signatures done.
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Elsdrake Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
besides, lauren faust might do a big help to the project, tough it won't have ponies
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Daker777DA Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm really upset for that, but if they decide to cancel Legends of equestria too, i'll kill myself xD
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LemonWedge228 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I hate it when I'm reminded that there's a giant money machine behind things I love.

That's capitalism for you. I hope this game gets a greenlight.
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Hunch89 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's a thing to remember, The World revolves around money.
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MillenniumFalsehood Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
From what I've observed with Hasbro, they're quite willing to work with people and don't want to stifle creativity in the fandom. I'm not worried that they can come to some sort of agreement in this, and I'm glad they chose to try and work things out with Hasbro.
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catangeltitan Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
omg, i hvae been looking for that game foreverr!! i hope they keep working on it, i wanna play it so badly.
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2bitmarksman Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I hope Mane6 can reach an agreement with hasbro, I'm really looking forward to the game. If its anything close to the OST's they've made for each of mane 6 then its going to be so awesome.

Would really hate to see it die, and I can't imagine that after over a years work put into it that the dev's are either.
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ReaplingofDIE Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
It seems Hasbro has really been cracking down on fan-made stuff recently. It really makes no sense.
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Geekygami Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, it is simply because of one thing.
If Hasbro lets any corporation use their brand, they'll lose it.
They're just protecting their copyrights.
Let's hope things will to well for Mane6.
Don't want to see this game dying.
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Drakester671 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
Actually the Mane6 are protected by the Fair Use Rights Law. Under it, if they are doing this for nonprofit,the nature of the content is fair, the game does not dangerously affect the worth of the original content, or the amount of copyrighted content is minimal.
Mane 6 took all of these criteria into account from the beginning. It is nonprofit, the content is in the same nature as the show, since the game is free, it doesn't hamper mlp franchise net worth, and the only truly copyrighted content is the mlp logo and the names of the characters. Sprites, backgrounds, music etc. do not count as they are considered as fanart or "parodies" of original content and are legal. If Hasbro isn't careful about this, they can be sued for going against the Fair Use Rights Law and for going against Freedom of Expression, which is a very serious offense.
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Geekygami Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sue all the corporations :iconallthethingsplz:
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ReaplingofDIE Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
Well, they're also taking down stuff that doesn't violate the fair use laws.
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MillenniumFalsehood Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
Their lawyers are the ones advising them to do this, so the things they are taking down must be violating some sort of law. There's a reason that lawyers must works for years to earn their degrees, and from all accounts Hasbro is not out to get the fans. In fact, they think creativity in the fandom is a good thing, because it fosters a love for the show. But they must defend their copyright, or else they will lose it, and if a lawyer says they're in danger of losing it, then they have to move on that judgement. It's not a good thing, but it is necessary.
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ReaplingofDIE Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
Go to the youtube channel FlimFlamFilosophy. I won't link it because I am lazy.
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MillenniumFalsehood Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
That would do me no good I'm not familiar enough with trade laws to be able to recognize specific violations.
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ReaplingofDIE Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
That's why he's posted three or four videos explaining why he didn't violate it.
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thebloodreaver Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Not entirely nessisary. Why couldn't Hasbro employ Mane6? Or, at least annouce the game as an official product of the Hasbro line. That way, they could have let Mane6 to continue work on the game (for FREE) so it can be released (for FREE), thus promoting the MLP show and merchandiser. Hasbro stood to gain something out of Fighting is Magic. Shutting it down, though, will destroy that notion. Hasbro is wasting an opportunity.
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MillenniumFalsehood Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
Part of the reason they can't is that they would have to start a whole new line of dialogue between themselves and whomever owns the rights to Street Fighter. Even if it were free, they have to make absolutely sure that those people were okay with it because it closely resembles that game. This is to protect the rights of the people who made the original game, even if they were not doing with it at the time. And opening this line of dialogue would result in a large expense in lawyer fees which would have to be covered somehow. It's not impossible, especially with today's internet full of advertisements, but it will take time. Luckily, Hasbro seems to be open to this idea.

But if you're an artist, you appreciate the necessity of these negotiations. Would you want someone releasing art based on your work for free and drawing revenue away from yourself? Even if you weren't so inclined, there are others, like myself, who do charge money for some of our art and wouldn't appreciate someone releasing something based on our work for free. Those laws exist for that reason, and despite this 21st century notion that all media should be free, the fact remains that some people need to be compensated for their work, because they're independent, and the same laws governing Hasbro's copyrights and trademarks apply to independent artists. Ergo, if people were allowed to circumvent the process for big names, there's nothing stopping them from doing it to smaller ones.

Along the same lines, I remember a dialogue I heard with a Lucasfilm IP lawyer, and he really lamented about how it would be so much easier if they would just come to them in the first place and ask permission to make fan works and release them for free, because 99 times out of 100 they would give a limited contract which outlines the permission given and allows them to continue. Double Rainboom did this for their project and got the backing of Hasbro and The Hub. It's not something people think about, which is why there are so many C&Ds. It's not that they wouldn't have been able to get permission, they just didn't go through the process to get it.
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whiteless Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hasbro has to protect their copyright... simple as that
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ILovesMyMommy Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist
They have to protect their trademark, not copyright.
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whiteless Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
sorry.... easy to confuse the two...
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ILovesMyMommy Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Hobbyist
Yeah... At least you got the right idea.
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whiteless Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
thanks.
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ExtremeCombustion Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
You are totally right
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Plazma-Reaper Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
game? I haven't heard of this...
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karkovice1 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
Well, since I'm not a gamer, this doesn't effect me in the least.

But I'm gonna play the role of Devil's advocate here and say that I can understand where they're coming from.

From what little I've heard of the game, it sounds like a Mortal Kombat type video game where you can pit Rainbow Dash and Applejack against each other in a fight to the death. It seems to me that Hasbro had a beef with game developers taking their otherwise friendly, bubbly characters; and placing them in an overly violent scenario.

If they wanna continue making this game, maybe they should consider using their own pony OCs rather than popular characters from the show. If that doesn't work, then it doesn't. What more can I say? :iconlunashrugplz:

Just my opinion.
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MillennialDan Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist
They've known about the game for a pretty long time. It seems that they only decided to take action recently because of EVO, and the fact that their characters were being used to raise money without their permission, even though it was for charity.
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RainbowThrashKfcNyan Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
It's closer to Street Fighter than Mortal Kombat, and in Street Fighter, the only violence in Street Fighter is Cartoon Violence. It doesn't have blood or anything.
So, that isn't why.
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karkovice1 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
So if Hasbro isn't pulling the plug on this game because of its violent content, what IS the reason, in your opinion?
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RainbowThrashKfcNyan Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013
Some companies pull the plug on fan-made material because it's superior to the official product. (In this case speaking The MLP Gameloft Game.) This is because the copyright/free use laws in the U.S.A. are RIGGED in favor of companies. I've also seen this happen to unofficial toys sold on ebay. (I saw a G4-Style Firefly,and got interested. Days later.....that's plug was pulled.)
It could also be the similar names (Fighting is Magic, Friendship is Magic) or the exact initials.
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